why isn't roger maris in the hall of fame

There are players in the HOF that didnt have anywhere near the impact on Baseball & the fan excitement that Roger did, I know b/c I was alive. McGwire said that breaking the single season home run record was a gift from the guy upstairs. I realize Barry Bonds isn't the most humble guy. For years I thought that breaking Ruths record all by itself should qualify him for the Hall, but you make a good argument. Maris doesnt have incredible career numbers 275 homers and 851. homers in 61. Take away 1961 and no one would even think of putting him in the HOF. a double by Willie Mays on the squishy turn in right field, holding Matty Alou at third base with the tying run, just before Willie McCovey lined out to Bobby Richardson to end the Series. I believe he needs to be inducted. He does not have the career milestones, and his short peak, while very good, was not excellent. PCGS | Now, nearly 26 years after his death, it is time to make amends and put Roger Maris where he belongs - in the Hall of Fame. Reputation: 2587. I really don't think there are fixes to a lot of the problem in these industries. There was as similar spurt in 1969 and a lesser one in 1977. Roger was an outstanding outfielder if you remember the 1962 World Series against he made a play in the rightfield corner holding Willie Mays at third to preserve a Yankee World Championship. Yes I know Namath is already in. Ruth was on fire, hitting five HRs in his last three games and nine in his last 11. During the 1961 season, Maris hit 61 home runs for the New York Yankees, breaking Babe Ruth's single-season record of 60 home runs (set in 1927), a record that stood for 37 years. He had a fine 822 OPS, which for that era was very good. Im a huge yankee fan.. All my life. I don't think anybody can argue reasonably that it isn't. But his size doesn't guarantee anything. Nobody seated in the upper deck. @ScoobyDoo2 said: Submitted On September 02, 2011. However, people questioned the legitimacy of his home run record due to the season expanding to 162 games, as opposed to the 154 games that Babe Ruth hit 60 in. With all due respect, I still think Mariss The commissioner, Ford Frick, refused to Maris is a case that makes one think about what a Hall of Fame ought to be doing. Eliminate 1956 and Mantle is still an HOFer. Maris hit 13 homers against the Senators and Angels. Kirk Gibson: In a season that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened said Vin Scully as a hobbling Gibson circled the bases after hitting his game-winning home run for the Dodgers in the first game of the 1988 World Series. His defense was quite good. Maris was shut out during a twi-night doubleheader (games 152 and 153). We didnt mention the NL expansion in the article. Lets all return every book on Abraham Lincoln or new works on World War II, because the authors werent alive then. We could all stipulate that Mick could have beaten it. He is still the single season non juiced HR record holder. It's also interesting to me that the wall in that video is about 3 feet high. also the beat writer for the New Jersey Nets' 1990-1991 season and covered college basketball, college football and wrote for the Metro section. This is manifestly not true. I remember the pressure he was under from Mantle fans and the sports writers who didnt want him breaking the Babes record because he was not a hoeeme grown Yankee ( brutal treatment everyday in 1961) hes a hall of fame human being if not a ballplayer but in my boo hes both!!! A Gold Glove recipient in 1960, Maris career is best remembered for hitting 61 home runs in 1961, shattering a single-season home run record previously held by Babe Ruth. However, the stories were not true. Agree. The only thing Roger Maris had going for him was a major record. I have always argued that Maris was essentially a better than average player, aside from a couple standout years, and not overall HOF material. What if I'm a professional athlete and I use my nieces phone to bet the under. The 23,154 roaring fans at Yankee Stadium were quieted. Nearly all my baseball knowledge comes from reading Beckett and trading sports cards when I was in junior high and high school. Bo Jackson: Maybe the best of all two-sport athletes. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently. Known as Superchief, Reynolds was the Yankees best pitcher of the late 1940s and early 1950s. Nobody, it seemed, wanted him to break Babe Ruth's record. Roger Maris in the same way that the actor James Dean went fast around here. I changed the contrast on this image. Maris is to Clemente, Kaline, Aaron, and Robinson as Kirk Gibson is to Reggie Jackson. You judge a player by the impact he had in his time. game in each of three others.). (In 1989 Fernando Tatis of the Cardinals hit two grand slams in the same inning!). Then, he came back to close out Game 4, striking out Stan Lopata to record the save and secure the Yanks' 13th World Series title in franchise history. 2023 www.desertsun.com. If you can consider players like Barry Bonds and others who are accused of cheating and using peds and other drugs to get an advantage than you should put players Roger Maris and Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame without hesitation. The announcer and the right fielder had no doubt. His stats, 275 career HR, .260 batting average, and 38.2 WAR are nowhere near numbers to qualify for the Hall. All welcome. That's 40 years of technological advances between the two. Barry Bonds was trained to be a baseball player since he was a child. (As a huge Mike Schmidt fan, I often wonder what he would have done if his career was shifted 10-15 years in either direction to take advantage of expansion/stadium design. While the Yankees lost the World Series in seven games to the Pirates, Maris hit two homers. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&ei=QbjpYqjFE-3YkPIPl6aHsAE&ved=0ahUKEwjo6Yq-rKn5AhVtLEQIHRfTARYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEJECOgUILhCRAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhAILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAxBDOgQILhBDOgQIABBDOg0ILhCxAxCDARDUAhBDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6CAguENQCEJECOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToFCC4QgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQHhAWOggIABAeEBYQCjoGCAAQHhANOgQIABAeOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBQhAEgExSgQIRhgAUIUEWNxmYN5oaARwAXgAgAHPAogBziqSAQgwLjMxLjIuMZgBAKABAcgBCLgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz, Yes, folks I do realize, this is likley tantamount to "playing chess with pigeons" :sigh. I think Burns says Maris wished he had never broken it because of the response from the public and probably other players too. it is entirely possible that Maris cheated on his way to 61 as it certainly was a statistical anomaly for him. Sign in or register to get started. Ford Frick was a sports writer and broadcaster before he became NL president in the late 30s and commissioner of baseball in the late 50s. I admit I wanted Mickey to break the record, but after he was out of the race I was routing for Roger. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. But he just misses the bar for me. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. But agreed with your thought, it would be an interesting thing to consider Barry Bonds seeing Maris in first. It was the Yankees versus the Red Sox. Expert En route to his second MVP award, Maris hit a then-record of 61 home runs while driving 141 RBIs. He won one Gold Glove, and in 1967 he drove in seven runs in the World Series. Roger Maris, who had to be drained both physically and emotionally faced 24-year-old Red Sox right-hander Tracy Stallard. News Corp is a global, diversified media and information services company focused on creating and distributing authoritative and engaging content and other products and services. Why isn't Roger Maris in the hall of fame? The game took 1 hour, 15 minutes. He went through Hell because no one wanted him to break Ruths record. I collect Steve Garvey, Dodgers and signed cards. I stand by what I wrote about Maris: there isnt enough of a career there to merit Hall of Fame election. With the Yankees, Reynolds went 131-60 with a 3.30 ERA in 295 regular-season games (209 starts), going 7-2 with a 2.79 ERA in 15 postseason games (nine starts). They had Nevertheless, from 1959 -.1962 his fellow American League players (and coaches, I believe ) chose him as an American League All-Star. The selection of players for the Hall of Fame isnt always as simple as stats home runs, hits, RBI, victories. However, he met the 10 year minimum and those 6 great years propelled him over the top. So, according to you only people who are alive at the time can comment on history? I think Mays and Aaron and others may also have hit 40 or more. Read3 hours ago | Gerard Baker, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Thanks for visiting the website. Mazeroski, Jackie Robinson and even Koufax are a few that might be considered. It takes decades often for the narratives to soften for the MLB HOF voting members to offer their "peace pipe" & get excellence recognized. They were games 152,153 and 154. Maris played seven years in professional baseball before he wore the Yankee pinstripes. It looks like you're new here. He joined The Times in 2000 as the Mets beat writer. I've been researching sports and sports cards again for the past couple years and watching all the Dodgers games I can. Meanwhile, in 1927, Babe Ruth hit his 48th and 49th homers in his 134th game. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Mioso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee (1950-69), while Bud Fowler and Buck ONeil were chosen by the Early Baseball Era Committee (pre-1950), as announced on MLB Network. Born in Jersey City, N.J., Curry graduated from Fordham University. And they're standing up. If Judge breaks the record this year, it will be 61 years after Maris hit 61 in '61. The right fielder, if he's in the frame at all, when the ball is hit he is standing about 1 foot from the wall. Considering the constant crap Maris put up with from badgering sportswriters & Ford Frick, Ill disagree with you! No one broke that 61 HR record until the Steroid Era & sadly those cheaters will probably be inducted eventually! Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact. He previously worked for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and Major League Baseball Advanced Media. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a The 6-foot, 197-pound outfielder belted 39 homers (one behind Mantle's league-leading 40), led the AL with 112 RBI and a.581 slugging percentage, hit a career-high.283 and won his only Gold Glove. A kid grabbed his hand as he turned past first - Maris shook hands and then did the same thing with third base coach Frank Crosetti as he turned past third base and headed home. His personal hitting coach helped Judge from the beginning of his Yankee career, teaching him a set of unorthodox swing mechanics which potentiate his power. Maris did not accomplish that. Why is Roger Maris not in the Baseball Hall of Fame? MANY players elected in the hall did not have the stats or years of modern day electees. If you watch the video it's obviously fake. Maybe, the HOF should create a gallery of MVPS and longstanding major record holders( not to mention greatest defensive players and players who were chosen by their peers for All Star games or the current day Outstanding Player Award).Then, visitors.would better understand and appreciate great baseball, and Roger Maris would be well represented in the Hall. And Mickey went to North Dakota for Roger's funeral in 1985. I've actually changed my mind about Maris. It's like the 1974 MVP races where there was no reason to vote for either winner. He lives in Connecticut with his wife and their four children. Back then, writers LOVED players who led the league in RBI. Magic The Gathering cards mostly since sports cards dumped in the 90s. In 1950, the Yankees swept the Phillies in four games. In 1956, Mickey had hit 52 home runs for the Yankees and there were many, including me who saw him as the man to break Babe Ruth's season record of 60. Yankees All-Time Team >The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >The All-Time Player Rankings >20 Greatest Yankees of All-Time >. "I hated to see the record broken," Phil Rizzuto said. Upon becoming a Yankee, Maris became a different level of player. Or maybe the book would only have to win the big ones 10% more often than they should. His Wins Above Replacement in 1960 was 7.5, the highest in the American League. shrug My mom has a cesarean scar. As others have said, he clearly falls short on the career stats, and there is simply no way of looking at it that places Maris above Dwight Evans, Bobby Bonds, Bobby Murcer, or several other better right fielders ignored by the HOF. His 1960 performance was quickly eclipsed, however, by the circus atmosphere surrounding his 1961 campaign. Who is Roger Maris and is he in the Hall of Fame. He WAS deserving. He also worked at The News Journal in Wilmington, Del., and for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Kind of like Tiger Woods. Take out the 2-year span in which he hit 100 HR and he averages 17.5 HR per year the rest of his career (which only lasted 12 years total). Until the quality of recording improved and the introduction of the center field camera, practically all TV recordings of baseball give the appearance of a phantom ball - you can't see crap in these videos, it's all reactive like the trick play in "Little Big League". But if you make a group of "elite" players and include Baines and Hunter along with Hederson and Seaver then the definition of greatness begins to lose meaning. Maris pursuit enthralled a generation as he and teammate Mickey Mantle -- The M&M Boys -- spent a summer aiming for what was then considered to be an unbreakable mark. If that were possible, then how come nobody attempts to make the case for Munson getting in? This blogs regular features, including live game analysis, news and notes from Tyler Kepner, David Waldstein and others, can now be found on the baseball section of our website.Readmore, The free-agent second baseman Robinson Cano is reportedly still seeking a 10-year deal for $310 million, figures the Yankees are said to be unwilling to meet. This thread took a hard left turn since my last login. setting a record does not warrant induction. Here's the windup, the pitch to Roger. Lifetime Yankee fan. He was an All-Star in baseball with the Kansas City Royals in 1989 and a Pro Bowl pick with the Raiders in 1990. The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. @reelinintheyears said: . Accomplishments after that date, the Frick ruling read, would be designated by an asterisk. I do not agree with every decision the Veterans Committee makes but I am appreciative there is a mechanism to get guys in after the Voters have spoken for 10 years time. The Ford C. Frick Award is given out by MLB to broadcasters annually. Two players who were incredibly famous for a few short years. Does Roberto Alomar Deserve To Be Inducted Into The Hall of Fame? Ken Burns baseball docuseries says that Maris started getting death threats and hate mail and stuff when he got close to the record. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Mariss career stats will continue to be evaluated by future veterans committees, so for those pulling for him, theres always a possibility. Sure, everybody knows OF him but how is he not in the Hall? His Yankee teammates formed a human wall in front of the dugout, refusing to let him enter. Of course I didnt but It would suck to be labeled a thief without any evidence. He would hit two home runs in his first game as a Yankee, finishing the season with 39 home runs, a .283 batting average, and an MVP award. Maris was the MVP that year and also won the award the I have read alot about baseball and the greats of the game. He became the first player in history to hit 50 by the end of August. Maris stood out, but many had career years in these two years - Cash, Gentile, Davis among others. A Yankees home jersey worn by Maris during the 1961 regular season is now a part of the The Indians had a glut of outfielders in their organization and inexplicably ignored the 69 homers Maris hit in three seasons in their system. There were many others who hit 40 plus, that year. He HAD an overall body of work. WebThe only reason he still gets consideration is because of the 6 World Series he won with the Yanks because he was a phenomenal pitcher and post-season pitcher who played for one of the winningest dynasties in baseball history. He followed up with a 24-9 season in 69 to win another Cy Young. Reynolds pitched a two-hit shutout in Game 1 of the 1949 World Series against the Brooklyn Dodgers in a 1-0 Yankees win. Reynolds also became the first pitcher in AL history to toss two no-hitters in the same season in 1951. This also helped to counter the negative impact from the shift in the National League from smaller stadiums to the larger multi-purpose stadiums. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single I wouldnt agree that Maris was the best right fielder in baseball for half his career. He did it while being a teammate of the iconic Mickey Mantle and wearing the famed pinstripe uniform of the greatest team in sports. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! Should Roger Clemens Be Voted Into the Hall of Fame? This video would be real easy to edit too. Mickey was quoted saying "Roger was one of my best friends. My dad ran into him and Whitey Herzog in a bar and they had drinks and talked baseball for 3 hours. Aaron Judge is on pace for 65+. In the NL my childhood hero, Orlando Cepeda hit .311 with 46 home runs and an astounding 142 RBIs. Im a big fan of Maris and his cards. Its not the first time his name has been on a special committee ballot, but given the advanced analysis we have today for evaluating ballplayers, this time the former Yankee slugger has as good a chance as any to be elected. He was never a "scrawny kid" or "thin" like Bonds and McGuire were in their first few seasons. Fans of Roger Maris were quick to respond to my column Sunday, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. @nam812 said: Should Roger Maris (left) be in the Hall of Fame with Mickey Mantle? He was a very good player with a short-ish career containing two elite seasons (1960 and 1961, when he won the AL MVP both times and broke Babe Ruth's home run record during the latter season). I've always been a big Maris fan, but don't see how it would be possible to make it into the Hall after an 11-year career. Now, with Judge taking over the record, it has left baseball fans wondering about Roger Maris' legacy. I think it's kinda interesting that his mic failed during the all star game. As a Yankee fan for 70 years, I applaud Bob Greenes Cheer on Judge but Dont Forget Maris (op-ed, Oct. 7). And in the early 1960s, if you drove in a lot of runs and played for the pennant-winning team, you basically won the MVP. "He threw me a pitch outside and I just went with it," Maris would say later. My Man Taxerman, a faithful Yankees fan, also reinforced my observation that Maris was a superb right fielder. Note: Bill Mazeroskis series-winning home run for the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1960 certainly deserves to be on the list, but Mazeroski is already in the baseball Hall of Fame the one in Cooperstown. During the 1961 baseball season, I was a 17 year old enjoying my summer vacation before entering my senior year of high school. You have every right to admire Maris, to be his fan, to argue for his Hall of Fame election. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. There are numerous right fielders more deserving. It came down to the final three games of the 1961 season. @CardGeek said: If Kirby Puckett is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Maris deserves the nod from the Veteran's Committee. Even if you werent as good as the man who played center field next to you. Currently working on 1970 Topps Hockey PSA 9 set. 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Gil Hodges - Does He Belong in the Hall of Fame? He and his wife, Pamela, live in New Jersey. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. He finished with 586 career steals and still has support to make it to Cooperstown. All though looking at the teammates that Roger played with he was a key player on the Yankees and Cardinals. If anything, I think it strengthens the Hall by acknowledging the true single-season HR king. Incidentally, my birthday is Mar15. I'm sure tons of reporters covered the story. A pitcher with a career batting average of .192! The Hall of Fame DOES have a records room which celebrates record holders and award winners, etc. The HR record non- withstanding, Maris was a 7-time all-star and 2-time MVP. It was a great time to be a baseball fan. Not only for HR record setter, but MVP, world series champ, etc. He would finish his career with a total of 11 home runs. He held the home run crown for so many years and his contribution to baseball probably should have given him what he needed; the call to Cooperstown. It's likely that nobody in baseball history hasn't cheated on this record. in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the mid 90s. @coolstanley said: There were over 500 other baseball players during this expansion era and they did not hit 61 home runs. The voice of Phil Rizzuto broadcast the moment. He was critical for 5 pennants and 2 world series for Yankees. Instead of being his crowning achievement, the race to 61 was a miserable experience filled with stress and ridicule. Also he pretty much weighed the same prior his first call going back to high school. Because except for a a couple seasons, he basically was average https://bleacherreport.com/articles/221894-the-king-without-a-crown-should-roger-maris-be-in-the-hall-of-fame. I'm sure it lead to his career being so short. Customer Service. if anything his back to back mvps is a If that were possible, then how come nobody attempts to make the case for Munson getting in? We would spend one season with Cleveland and the Oakland Athletics before being traded to the New York Yankees in a seven-player deal in December 1959. Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. Roger Maris had light-brown hair, a square jaw, fair-skin, and green eyes. But I hate it when we make the argument on stats and conjecture. Holy Cow, he did it! Read22 hours ago | Allan Ripp, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Koufax was clearly one of the best arms in his prime, but his career was so brief, especially considering he didn't hit his stride until it was nearly halfway over! Maybe he doesn't have the greatest career stats. Considering how corruption seems to be rampant. In the video his uniform is remarkably white for an away uniform. Reporters from all over the country had converged upon Yankee Stadium. career falls short of Hall of Fame standards, but I am impressed by the knowledgeable fans who believe Maris belongs. He would say later that Durante's generosity meant more to him than the media pressures and the catcalls from the pro-Ruth and pro-Mantle fans. More critics claim that he only played at the Hall of Fame level for 2 or 3 seasons, with the remainder of his career being average. The online betting stuff really bothers me too. He would have been.better off if he had played for the Red Sox; he hit well at Fenway.Too bad. He probably could have stolen 20 bases a year, but his managers wanted their runners to hug the bag. He's one of the most famous baseball players ever. Be the first one to comment on this story. It's likely that nobody in baseball history hasn't cheated on this record. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. Unfortunately for Maris he wasn't the people's choice to break the 34-year-old record. I think you might be surprised what can be staged. But all Roger Maris was known for was 61 swings that produced 61 homers in 1961. Sarcasm in text is tough. That 61 Hrs stood for decades & many other HOF inducted players had the chance to break it but didnt. a few of his seasons were Hall of Fame level. Way outside, ball oneAnd the fans are starting to boo. Give him his goddamned plaque. Roger caught so much flak for his accomplishments that I wonder how it ended up affecting his play as well as his legacy. Roger Maris and Allie Reynolds, a pair of history-making contributors to separate Yankees championship squads, landed on the outside looking in as the Eras Committee welcomed six new members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday. Primate Sensitivity Definition, Articles W