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1940 1953 IX 1966 XXII 1979 AE 1992 BB 2005 BZ 2018 CT. Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year Mark Year. 0000001485 00000 n %PDF-1.6 % UBERTI ITALY and the serial number. It looks a lot like an Armi Sport pistol. JavaScript is disabled. Gunmart.net is the largest shooting resource and review based website, using the resources of Britain's biggest and most comprehensive magazines - Gun Mart, Shooting Sports and What Gun. Behind that were two Italian proof marks. The order was signed J. 0000007839 00000 n Just wondering what firm F.A.R.A was/is? 10) Uberti name and address stamping from 1975. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. We did not fire this pistol. Dear Friends, Copyright 2023 Aceville Publications Ltd. It was a redesign of the Army's Allin Trapdoor rifle. Not all numbers in this range were used. Any information or ideas on this gun would be greatly appreciated. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as 45 COLT. The left side of the barrel had the importers name and Ubertis name tastefully small. The top of the barrel is marked A. The collective knowledge of the members of this Forum, must total several hundred years. Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. The largest market for these weapons is the U.S.A. and some of the larger American importers often have their own names stamped on the guns. 0000001338 00000 n Aldo Uberti S.r.l. 0000078548 00000 n I bought a 36 Cal. Each and every one of these guns must undergo testing at the Proof house and be stamped with the appropriate acceptance marks. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Could it be one of those? Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. The design was sold to the US Government, but it was never adopted for use by the military despite being a mechanically sound firearm. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 Written and photographed by Ray Ordorica, using evaluations from Gun Tests team testers. by F.A.R.A; It appears to be a notch or two higher quality in fit & finish to the many such repros of this rifle I've seen over the yearsanyone have knowledge of the maker? We found the barrel flats to be properly done. it has a dove tailed rear sight and post front sight. 0 this ? 0000013906 00000 n Another well known name here in the UK is that of Pietta, and their logo is a diamond containing the letters FAP often accompanied by the name F.LLI PIETTA. Eho is the manufacturer ? The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. Rooster Cogburn. Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took it out.It was said to be a Uberti but it does not have Uberti on it anywhere.I have had 4 Uberti 22s and this one is the only one with out Uberti on the tang.It is the smoothest and you can run it faster than any of the other ones. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. JavaScript is disabled. The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. Our Team Said: We thought the Uberti 1860 Henry was as good a rifle as any weve tested, modern or otherwise. It was sold through Beeman's catalog in 1984. Posted December 23, 2014. 35 0 obj <> endobj Any thought on the origin of this piece? Like the other rifle, the back edge of the Ubertis chamber had sharp corners, though no burrs, and a bit of time with a scraper there should answer most loading questions. startxref The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. stamping on the frame is CMC or CMG not clear. The second proof mark is a similar star and circle, slightly larger, above the letters PN. Loading the rifle was easy, by which we mean the follower easily raised the front lock to let the gate swing open without any of the fiddling the Henrys version needed. Whilst the makers marks are there principally for advertising and recognition, the proof marks and serial number are obligatory and will always take the same form. Internet info = nothing so far, any help out there?? I understand a lot of Navy Arms guns were not made by Uberti but by other Italian companies. They were produced by Gregorelli and Uberti. Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. Joseph Rider, Remingtons Chief Designer, modified Geigers design into a pistol in 1866. I was recently given an Italian made.58 Remington 1863 "Zouave". You could always ask Val Forgett at Navy Arms,Here is his facebook page where you can contact him, https://www.facebook.com/Navy-Arms-Firearms-326497049152/?fref=ts. <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> Copyright 2019 sassnet.com 0000036564 00000 n Italy started rather late with proofmarks, they started on december 30:th 1923 with a proof that was compulsory. This includes not only information about their purchase and use, but also the promotion of firearm safety and training. Enjoy the thrill of shooting a gun from the Old West and experience how history repeats itself. Aldo Uberti S.r.l. However, the only proof mark I can find that looks like a 'house' proof is on the butt of the gun: a PR where the P and the R are overlapped, right next to the 3-digit serial #. 0000080318 00000 n That was another problem with the $900-more-costly Henry version. It consists of the letters dp inside an oval and is usually followed by the name DAVIDE PEDERSOLI or PEDERSOLI. In our October 2015 issue, we took a hard look at the Henry Repeating Arms Original Rifle in a test that included a Winchester 1892, both rifles in 44-40 WCF. To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year, One-of-a-Kinds ~ Antique and Collectibles, Metal Shank Buttons with Victorian Design. Type of Finish:Blue, Case Color and Brass. 0000003020 00000 n 3) Armi San Marco name stamp (1994) H\j0~ Very nice and very early production. Pages, photographs and artwork from this site are the sole property of River Junction Trade Co. LLC, and may not be used or reproduced in whole or in part without written permission. Our sample Uberti Yellow Boy rifle was very well made and finished. )9/q3YgYHH}c. The bottom tang has a proof mark with a "U" inside of it. If the pistol has no visible marks it is almost impossible to determine the manufacturer. Thank you. The rifle did not seem to require a break-in period to deburr it, as had the other one. 22 HORNET". A chart of Italian proof marks is Attachment 1. ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. There is no warning about black powder. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. r2 e< 1{Vk)} On the top of the barrel, an inch in front of the rear sight, was "PATENT. 0000001770 00000 n My heart bleeds for you gun lovers in the U.K. Wayne, you do not say whether or not these pistols are held on a firearms certificate. There were ultimately 5 variations of the Remington Rolling Block pistol culminating with the Model 1871. (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/*] >> startxref 0 %%EOF 23 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 19 0 R /Metadata 21 0 R /AcroForm 24 0 R >> endobj 24 0 obj << /Fields [ ] /DR << /Font << /ZaDb 16 0 R /Helv 17 0 R >> /Encoding << /PDFDocEncoding 18 0 R >> >> /DA (/Helv 0 Tf 0 g ) >> endobj 65 0 obj << /S 98 /V 209 /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 66 0 R >> stream I have to disagree with Zonie just a bit. #6. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. These letters will sometimes be found in a circle. Unfired. 4) The distinctive Uberti logo. '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| 0000003864 00000 n All the .44s (including the Phantoms) were in the range of 75918 to 75954 and all the .22s (except 75255) were in the range of 75955 to 75985. Apart from a cursory glance I suppose many of you will have paid scant attention to the markings on your modern made black powder reproduction. Frascarelli. The cylinderis marked 55 and the Serial No. http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. 1860. The top tang of the action held the designation MOD. I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. Barrel Length:9.5, Half-Round, Half-Octagonal. However, a shoulder on the bullet will never help matters. During the 1960's, 1970's, and even into the 1980's there was a bonanza market for these replica revolvers. Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. The Italian proof marks should have a rectangular or square box with a date code in it. A PDF link to Dennis Adler's article about Italian Black Powder Proof marks is given below. 0000007017 00000 n Box 275, McGregor, IA 52157, ~ Ring Us at 563-873-2387 or TOll Free at 866-259-9172. Pietta always has the proofmarks and the datecode on the right side of the frame. A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and maker's marks on a Pedersoli pistol. 0000008724 00000 n 0000005072 00000 n ITALY. The main difference between Taylor's and Cimirron will be the Importer's Marks. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. 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Because the availability of 44-40 ammunition choices is fairly tight (MidwayUSA.com lists 10 choices, with only lead bullets, in weights from 200 to 225 grains), we figured if we found an 1860 we liked, wed prefer to have a wider range of loads for it, so we acquired one chambered in 45 Colt (aka Long Colt), for which MidwayUSA.com lists 56 results, in bullet weights from 145 grains to 360 grains in lead, copper, even shotshells. 0000008989 00000 n The proof marks are described in Table 2. You need to take the buttstock off & look on the receiver. 1860 HENRY and the bottom tang held A. 0000037713 00000 n What year would his have been made? Thank you. The rear sight is a square-notch leaf and elevator dovetailed to the rear of the barrel. 0000003080 00000 n Cylinder tight when trigger pulled all the way back. thank you. 0000039418 00000 n 35 45 C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? They also did a Colt 1855 revolving rifle. This mark was also introduced in 1950. This is the black powder mark and will be found only on black powder weapons. The Henry rifle worked well enough but had a nasty job of overbuffing, we thought, that gave the brass action a mirror polish at the expense of destroying the edges of the octagonal flats of the barrel. 1) An example of a full set of Proof and makers marks on a Pedersoli pistol. 0000105711 00000 n We cleaned the Uberti and went right to work at the range, and the rifle did all it could to please us. Posted February 18, 2016. There is no maker marks on this rifle at all.The proof marks say it is made in 1967.The links in it look like they could handle 44-40.I took it down all the way but pull the barrel off and no maker marks.I have had 4 Uberti 22s over the years and they all had Uberti on them somewhere.This is the smoothest of all of the ones I have had,but still don't know who made it.I had a lever safety or at least had a place for one.This is the only one that the forearm barrel band is brass and the sight band is brass. 6) Piettas logo and name stamp. We'll start about there. I have a .44 cal B/P pistol with an logo of s inside a hexagon inside a circle. revolver, the square with the letters(AE in this case) are only on the bottom of the barrel after the Uberti name and proof marks. The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. This company was formed in 1970 and used the initials of its three founders, Grassi, Doninelli and Gazzola to make up an emblem. I'm looking for information on what models of revolvers were made by Palmetto Arms. Make: Uberti. The top of the barrel is marked "A. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. The screwheads have strong slots and remain serviceable. However, the only proof mark I can find that looks like a 'house' proof is on the butt of the gun: a PR where the P and the R are overlapped, right next to the 3-digit serial #. 0000046756 00000 n Got an older Navy Arms Remington "Zouave" with barrel mfg. I take it that it was made in 1979, which sounds right, I bought it used in the early 1980's. It is a well made old gun. If this were a copy of an 1873 Winchester, youd have to choose 44-40 (or 38-40) for authenticity, but if youre shooting the 1860 Henry in those matches, it doesnt matter which incorrect caliber you choose. Each manufacturer also stamps or engraves their own name and/or logo on the various guns that they produce. A copy of a shipping manifest dated December 23, 1986 from Aldo Uberti & Co. to Colt Industries Firearms Division (Charter Oak Blvd, W. Hartford CT 06119 USA) detailing Italian Goods to be Exported. 0000005942 00000 n The operation of the action is smooth and the fit of the action's side plates is excellent. 3) Armi San Marco name stamp (1994) 4) The distinctive Uberti logo. Pre 60s? Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. The overbuffing also left a depression, sometimes called a hog wallow, where the barrel met the 5-inch sleeve at the muzzle. It is in the 2,000 serial range and has GU mark. Italian date stamps. . We tested mainly with PMC cowboy-type ammo, which is a mild load with a hard lead bullet. Faithful Rendition. 0000105108 00000 n This restriction is made under protest, but we have to do this to comply with Californias infringement on the freedoms of speech and association of the NRA and our members, supporters, and the general public. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. OCT. 16. Englishmen are not CITIZENS, they are SUBJECTS! Model:Replica Remington Rolling Block Pistol, Year of Manufacture:1975, Italian date code AA, Action Type:Single-Shot Rolling-Block style Pistol with Extractor. The website has it right at 13. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver, Parts for Pierson Ruschetta (PF) 1851 Navy. The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. Likewise, many of the Winchester or Sharps rifle clones will have been manufactured in the same area. I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. There is some pitting towards the muzzle end of the bore. 0000007663 00000 n Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil. I have a black powder 58 cal riflr with the same cartouche is 3 "R's each inside the other. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I have a.s.m.black powder only cal. Without seeing the pistols it is difficult to know exactly what they are. check out the. Okiepan. The recently introduced line of firearms from Palmetto Arms is marked with the company logo of a palm tree within a circle, sometimes followed by the name, PALMETTO. 0000007642 00000 n Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. I have a 1858 remington new army revolver I purchased at a garage sale. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B To view prices realized you must be an "Archives Member". All are very friendly, and if any of you have a problem with the way your weapon percolates, there will be at least a half dozen guys who have experienced the same problems, and they will be delighted to help with advice. The markings remain clear. 0000005085 00000 n -Ec]]`iBd[&QE~t|J3Wva64v0-uy6Owi.x1:y14y=l*^>rv^)eO>S^)zy^Qp.6CTZ=_"qU[f!=xKw2"+pMlb/}-g%0_/3LA0G#%gC_`uC/}uEpV:+kk (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). The gun is beautifully finished and it remains mechanically sound. Thats not enough recommendation for us to invest in the Henry Original, so we began looking for a similarly styled levergun and found the Uberti version of 1860 Henry for a lot less money. I have a .50 cal rifle, nobody can tell me anything about this rifle. Thanks for the info Gaz. Two more Rifle models come in the same chamberings (342370 in 44-40 and 342360 in 45 Colt) and have the same barrel lengths as the brass ones, but they display case-hardened frames and levers and blued buttplates and list for $30 more. In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal parts for the revolvers and Uberti assembled them. fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 See Attachment 4. ,!x#B3`Ev 5 per cent of births in the late 1990s were twins . any one know who manuf. The Remington ammo was balky on entering the chamber. As a result, the NRA is forced to restrict the sending of certain materials and information into California. I belong to an on-line forum, called,"1858Remington.com. River Junction Trade Co, 312 Main Street, P.O. 0000012886 00000 n Did that Dawg,nothing.There is a serial number on the receiver right in front of the lever and below the carrier and a proof mark above the carrier.There are two proof marks on the barrel and a roman numeral just in front of the receiver.Nothing on the tangs at all.It had a lever safety on it a onetime and someone took . 0000001474 00000 n You have doubtless seen the obligatory BLACK POWDER ONLY marking (stamped on the barrel of all Italian made black powder guns) and the proof house stamps, but are you aware of their significance? 0000050991 00000 n The crest consists of crossed rifles with bayonets and a hammer and anvil. The front sight was slightly shiny, and we chose to blacken it to get a better sight picture in our late-fall light. S/N 7171. I have a muzzleloading pistol with IGE on it and says Italy .44 cal. black powder side by side deringer And it has no markings, How can a guy find out who makes it?? Does it have proof marks? 0000002932 00000 n I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks. Recent Euroarms pistols have been observed with a new mark which looks like a letter N surrounded by four triangles. Last but not least we have Euroarms, which prior to December, 2001, was known as Armi San Paolo. There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. Most members even possess Colt Percussion Clones, by Uberti & Pietta.. ", http://www.oldwestguns.ca/index.php?cts&object=175, http://s89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/4fingermick/, http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf, Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to 0000005051 00000 n Note! There are typically three stamped mark on every italian made black powder rifle, shotgun and revolver. The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. The Italian proof house has a book out called "100 anni di prove"/"100 years of proof" that shows this mark as belonging to a Sarezzo company called "Fusav di Bini & Baronio", founded Oct. 13, 1977, but I've got no other info on them. We suspect itd be a delight with black powder. While the action was not quite so glossy as the Henry version, it still reflected much like a mirror and was, like the barrel flats, dead flat. 0000105361 00000 n trailer Strong main spring. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Wed buy this one instantly if we wanted a brass gun for fun. Finally, as a collector of antique weapons, I have to say that I would not like these marks to be omitted entirely. The major manufacturers could not meet the demand and American distributors wanted more of and different models of what were being produced. Markings:The left side of the barrel is marked NAVY ARMS CO. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY and there are Italian proof marks at the chamber including the date code AA. I guess it could be some other kind.Would like it find out who made it. I can't find it through their pictures. 0000006802 00000 n On butt frame stamped 4809 (serial number?) I find strange that an Uberti gun has no date code. 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There are no chips or cracks. 0000062843 00000 n was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . Every percussion revolver that Colt made has been reproduced by one or other of these companies. 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